Ok, are you angry with most of the fanbase?!

[pokeria1]

Ok, my topic is asking if anyone here is angry with most of the Pokemon Fanbases comments on Misty.

The reason why I am making this topic is because I most certainlty am angered by their comments on how Misty was *expletive* and how she did nothing in Johto/her entire run, how she is nothing more than a sidekick, among other things, and I doubt they are true anyways.

Ok, recently on the fanbase they are saying that almost everyone hates misty, and those who do are going to be destroyed. They say several bad things about her, and I have hated that.

I mean, really, she did quite a LOT in Johto, more than just Pulling on Brock's ear, holding Togepi, and "being Ash's cheerleader" (the last one I have hated especially and felt was most inaccurate, which I will get to later). I mean, she helped that Marril out, she held off Molly, she was the one to Identify Green fields, she was the one who ultimately got the group through the forest of Illusion, she was the one who saved the Corsola farm (and caught the culprit, as well), she spearheaded the attempt to save Lugia, she won the Seaking tourney, she defeated the unofficial Gym leader in Johto, she was the one, along with Egan, who unblocked the tunnel (and saved the giant Magcargo), she stopped Ash from being arrested again for the Quagsire, she helped out the schoolchildren in terms of learning, she helped convince Ash to leave Charizard at the Chariffic Valley, she got Ash to realize that Ash made a mistake by losing his temper at Bayleef, she helped fend off Team Rocket when they attempted to recapture Mewtwo (not to mention was the one who convinced Mewtwo to spare their memories), she was the first one to sense that something wasn't right about the house that the ghost lady led them to, as well as the ghost lady herself, she won third place in the Whirl Cup, she spearheaded the attempt to rescue both Lugias, jointly with Ritchie, among other things. She did FAR more in Johto than what people give her credit.

And even IF she didn't do anything in Johto, everyone else wasn't doing much either. In FACT, the one who was doing much worse than the other characters in the main group was Brock, ironically, and no one complained about him not doing anything besides cooking, cleaning, and hitting on girls until Hoenn came along. I mean, even ASH wasn't doing much either besides Gym Battles, why isn't anyone complaining about them. I don't care if he IS the star of the show. they complained about Misty, and she was one of the stars of the show as well, so why aren't they complaining about everyone else?

Also, Misty isn't a sidekick. Believe me, if she was a sidekick, she would have acted like Luigi in "Mario and Luigi: Superstar saga" (In other words, acts pretty much like a coward, doesn't do anything at all, and only gets his shine if the hero (in this case, Mario) isn't around due to an accident of some sort) Misty doesn't even fit these things at all.

If anything, May and Dawn act like this (no offense to fans of May and Dawn, but they still act like this. I mean, Misty has risked her life far more than they have [willing, and wantonly, I mean]. I mean, May never jumped in front of a poison sting to save a pokemon as far as I know, and in her Movie, she just stood there like a coward and didn't even attempt to save Manaphy. and as for Dawn, she didn't attempt to jump onto that Mechlikid to save Pikachu. Instead, she just stood there wimpering like a dog!)

Honestly, Misty wasn't a sidekick and she did far more than she was credited for, not to mention she also had more ACTUAL screentime than the others (I mean, other than her first episode, contests, fixing up that Swablu, some of the capture episodes, and the Manaphy movie, exactly what did May do? almost the same deal with Dawn.), not the other way around as many of the fans seem to love to say now and these days!

does anyone else hate how the majority of the Pokemon Fanbase seems to act like May and Dawn do more and are better than Misty?! Because I do.

Sorry if there was some bashing on here, but I was trying to make a point, among other things. Plus, I really can't see how May and Dawn are far more important than Misty.

Discuss, if you want to of course.

[nickstr]

well, some people in the fan base anger me but it is mainly the Advancedshippers and the Pearlshippers who do nothing but bash Misty and Pokeshipping and say what they believe in is right and what others think is wrong. About that comment about almost everyone hating Misty, I think that could not be further from the truth. I know of several people in real life who like Misty and not only that but the Misty clubs on both the Bulbagarden and Serebii clubs have many members and are active. Another example of this is in some of the polls I have been seeing of whether Misty or May should return to the TV show and the one that normally wins those polls is, you guessed it, Misty.

[pokeria1]

nickstr said:

About that comment about almost everyone hating Misty, I think that could not be further from the truth. I know of several people in real life who like Misty and not only that but the Misty clubs on both the Bulbagarden and Serebii clubs have many members and are active. Another example of this is in some of the polls I have been seeing of whether Misty or May should return to the TV show and the one that normally wins those polls is, you guessed it, Misty.

Yes, I know, I agree with you on a lot of people seem to like Misty. As a matter of fact, at least 900+ people in my area wanted Misty to return, and at most 211 of these people don't even Live in my area, but there are several people on the net who try to say that she is as unpopular as Tracey Sketchit, which is the problem.

I started this topic after several people were saying stuff about Misty that I don't wish to repeat, and at least one directly insulted me as well. High Commander Solomon said that my beliefs (the thing about her being against the female anime stereotype) are an embarassment to the Feminists, fandom and everyone, thus insulting me, my beliefs, and also my family/friends.

[nickstr]

there are people saying that Misty is as unpopular as Tracey? That is surprising and I understand about being flamed, it happened to me once on Serebii and it was Cyber Cubed who flamed me. Personal insults I have always thought of as being very low and having to resort to that is not a very intelligent thing. I have seen some comments about Misty on You Tube that made me sick and I don't want to repeat those here too as they really were very offensive and contain some questionable language. In the case of the fandom, there are others who do nothing but bash Misty and for a large part I just ignore them but some of their comments really do make me angry.

[ajnrules]

I haven't been around the Pokemon fanbase for well over 5 years now, so I can't really say I know enough to have fury over everything. It is infuriating to see people criticize Misty for no reason at all other than some personal opinion or erroneous misconceptions. I admit I was disappointed at how Misty was portrayed in the Orange Islands, but from your description, it's good to see Misty once again becoming the strong character she was in the Kanto series.

You know, from what people have been saying about how pathetic Ash, Brock, and May/Dawn are, it's probably a good thing Misty isn't around. The others may just drag her down. Now if only the writers come to their senses and give Misty her rightful status as the star of the show. It's only wishful thinking, though.

[nickstr]

I have read some of the comments people have made about Ash,Brock, and Dawn as I am around some of the fan base these days but try to stay in the circle of other Misty fans on the forums as much as possible. The thought of Misty returning full-time is a bit of a pipe dream but I really want it to happen too as it was Misty's departure that alienated me from the Pokemon anime in the first place.

[pokeria1]

Yep, I agree that it may be a pipe dream, but then again, our country declaring our independence back in 1776 was also a bit of a pipe dream as well, and we managed to succeed back then as well. If our founding fathers were able to declare their independence from Great Britain despite it being as likely to do so as trying to capture and kill Zeus back in Greek's time, we can most certainly attempt and succeed in bringing misty back.

Speaking of Past things, one comment I have seen that irritates me, and others, is that we are nothing more than Nostalgics (Nickstr, I think you know this as well.) I mean, people often resort to saying things as that as a way to try and squash us. even Flamebaiting our family and friends.

One person, PDL, is such an example. I've seen him refer to all people as Nostalgics if they are trying to bring back Misty. and what's even worse is that he himself IS being Nostalgic in terms of Brock. I mean, he accuses us of being Nostalgics when we try and state reasons for her being in the main cast that he considers "grasping straws", and yet, he does the EXACT same thing in terms of Brock staying in the main cast?!

And even IF we are being Nostalgic, For me, being Nostalgic is far better off than forgetting about/disparaging the old and focusing solely on the new stuff (and that's WITHOUT a middle ground).

I have hated that concept, pretty much as far back as an "Opus" cartoon that had to deal with someone asking what a newspaper is to Opus despite the fact that Offline Newspapers are quite common and hard to miss, even WITH today's technology.

Heck, PDL and I go way back. I mean, he's the guy that tried to insult my family and friends by calling them "Hicks" and that our combined IQ is lower than Boiled cabbage when I cited them as examples of people who have hated the female anime stereotype. He even calls me an Insane dingbat from time to time.

I mean, I may have lived most of my life in Dunwoody, Georgia, but that DOESN'T mean that I, My family, OR my friends are Hicks! Nor does it mean that our total IQ is lower than a Boiled Cabbage!

He uses the rationale that Water pokemon aren't a source of Advertisement DESPITE the fact that Many people actually DO have water Pokemon exclusive teams, and besides which, the stuff Brock does isn't that much different either.

And, honestly, pokemon fans (even certain Mods such as Alfonso) have stated that Misty's antics in Johto weren't that Important DESPITE the fact that many of these things led to SEVERAL important things, and people who argue that they are important (such as myself, for instance) and try to bring her back often get bashed by saying stuff like "My post is too long" or "You hate feminine characters" (in regards to my statement of Misty must return because she isn't of the female anime stereotype.) and also say stuff like "don't go by the word of anyone or you get dumber."

that last one really irritates me to no end since, 1. learning stuff from other people IS how you acquire more knowledge, and 2. If that's the case, shouldn't we close down ALL schools permanently, since, going by their logic, then Schools are actually making us much DUMBER and not Smarter?

I mean, I have lived with several things such as Our having to live by what our teachers taught us, and if it isn't the same as what the teacher said, we lose points. and plus, many of our teachers treat their opinion as fact (especially with subjects that really SHOULDN'T be that).

[nickstr]

I know all about being called a nostalgic and it is a label that I don't mind because my policy for many things is to embrace the new and cling to the old but in this case I could not embrace the new no matter how hard I tried. This is true, I am one of the people of whom you speak when you say there are people who have all water type teams as I happen to have one in Diamond and a previous game, Silver so someone who specializes in water types would be good for promotion on the show. The hick comment is rather harsh I can say that as I happen to live in a small town myself and have lived in Missouri for a few years so by that person's logic I could be labeled as a hick myself so this comment can't be more wrong and counts as a personal attack which I frown upon and so does anyone who truly knows how to debate.

[pokeria1]

Yeah, I agree, And I'm surprised that MOST of these people are even Mods/respectable people, because the way they act seems far MORE Noobish and bad than the supposed newbies on the site. And also, while not technically a diss towards Misty or her fanbase, this next one seems a bit disturbing to me.

See, there are some fans (Misty Fans included) who think that being a gym leader is better towards advancing towards her goal than traveling with Ash. The disturbing thing about it is, is that exactly HOW is Misty being a gym leader who for the most part loses to Beginner trainers actually helping her?

I mean, I really don't see it as advancing towards her goal or making her stronger. If anything, I see it as the exact opposite.

I mean, take JJM for example, They lose every episode to even the weakest Pokemon that the anime can give, and the majority of the Fanbase claims them to be "pathetic losers" as a result.

Now, With Misty being the Gym Leader, that seems far too similar to JJM's doomed journey.

So, what I don't get is, How is it that Misty gets praise for losing against junior trainers (even if they have more than 8 gyms in the anime, it is still extremely disturbing), and yet with JJM, who pretty much does the exact same thing as what she is doing in every episode (I.E. losing against even the weakest pokemon/Trainer), they are instantly bashed by the fanbase and called "Pathetic Losers"? I just never understood that logic.

Now the next one is actually a diss by several people. They claim that Misty acted as nothing more than Ash's Cheerleader. Honestly, I have Hated that concept since she never really was a cheerleader. Otherwise, she would have acted EXACTLY like those Cheerleaders that Gary had accompanying with him in his Kanto appearances.

Plus, if anyone of Ash's group is even CLOSE to being nothing more than his cheerleader, it's Dawn, I mean, she is the only one of the characters who ACTUALLY acted like a cheerleader. Honestly, they diss Misty for "Being Ash's Cheerleader", even though that is far from true, and yet with Dawn, they instantly act like she is the Be All End All of the Anime DESPITE her BEING A CHEERLEADER?! It's Hypocritical, really.

[ajnrules]

Yeah, the entire concept about how gym leaders are people that rookie Pokemon trainers walk all over really bothers me. It kind of opens up a pardox of sorts. Gym leaders are supposed to be expert Pokemon masters, but they end up losing to pretty pathetic trainers. But does this mean that the gym leaders are pathetic? Or are they not putting forth their best, say using some of their weakest Pokemon, but doesn't that reduce the honor of the Pokemon league?

Eh, in the fantasy world I came up with my sisters, we made Misty the unbeatable gym leader. Even a Magikarp is strong enough to defeat the defending Pokemon League champion.

Dawn is probably only going to be the female lead until the next game comes out, which will be in another 2-3 years.

[nickstr]

That is what I see Dawn as being too, a character that will be deleted from the series when the next generation comes out. This whole concept of using characters to promote certain things in the games and then removing them is in my opinion a rather stupid idea. When Dawn leaves the series I can see some of her fans being in a way heartbroken and refusing to watch the series anymore. It was the same way back in 2003 when Misty was booted off the series, many of her fans were heartbroken and some of them refused to watch the Advanced Generation series but I am sure some of those people did watch the Togepi special.

[pokeria1]

Mar 22, 2008 23:38:35 GMT -5 nickstr said:

That is what I see Dawn as being too, a character that will be deleted from the series when the next generation comes out. This whole concept of using characters to promote certain things in the games and then removing them is in my opinion a rather stupid idea. When Dawn leaves the series I can see some of her fans being in a way heartbroken and refusing to watch the series anymore. It was the same way back in 2003 when Misty was booted off the series, many of her fans were heartbroken and some of them refused to watch the Advanced Generation series but I am sure some of those people did watch the Togepi special.

Yeah, I agree, It is a stupid idea, It's wasting several amounts of money as well. Plus, it's pointless since, what's the Point in creating a character if they are just going to use her for the current Generation. Plus, it's also pointless since they kept Ash on the Show despite his not being in certain generations (gen II is excusable since, playable or not, he [or rather, red] was in Gen II as a secret boss. Same deal with Misty and Brock.), I mean, if advertizing the games was truly their reason for replacing the females, they should have replaced Ash a LONG time ago.

Yes, he may be the star of the show, but then again, Red was supposed to be the Star of Pokemon Special, and that never stopped the creators from replacing him by the time of the Yellow arc, and having him not appear at all in the Ruby/Sapphire arc.
If they could do it with Red without losing ratings, they can most certainly do it with Ash in the Anime. Not that I like Dawn, but Still, it's pointless and a waste.

AJNrules: Yeah it is really disturbing. This is the reason why I would argue that being a Gym leader would ACTUALLY make her similar to the Likes of JJM instead of ACTUALLY making her stronger. I mean, yeah, she did experience losses from EXPERIENCED trainers such as Sakura, but she's the exception, not the rule.

Speaking of Gyms, another thing that ticks me off is that people assume that, since she wasn't giving the position to someone, She must LIKE running the Gym. Here's the problem, though, there have been more hints at her DISLIKING the Gym than her ACTUALLY liking it, and I will get to this rationale through this response to Serebiiforums Misty club.

No, I don't think so. In fact, scratch that, I KNOW she isn't enjoying it. I mean, there are far TOO many hints at her NOT enjoying it and her only reason for even BOTHERING to stick around is because her Sisters weren't good gym leaders (Though Daisy might be the second best to Misty herself, I mean, why else would she even attempt to spend time at the gym while her other sisters do their things? Hmm, maybe she does seem to enjoy battling more than we had originally thought... Perhaps she is attempting to regain the status of being a Gym Leader... the plot thickens).

Here are the Hints: Misty was shown to be VERY upset and disturbed at running a Gym in her final episode, and besides which, She has no interest in running a gym in the past, so she wouldn't now. Misty was ALSO shown with this as well in the Cerulean Blues hoso. Plus, if she actually enjoyed it, she would have acted like Jason Fox on a School Day in Foxtrot (Meaning, she is hyperly excited and overjoyed at the prospect of running a Gym.)

She ALSO Made a Cinderella reference in the second hoso (Misty: Why do I feel Like Cinderella?), And believe me, if she actually liked working at the Gym, she wouldn't have made a reference to a slave-girl-turned-stepdaughter who has to live in opression of her stepfamily (and in many adaptations, even her own father) in regards to her job.

She was ALSO mentioning to her sisters that working at the gym is just very hard work among other things in the third hoso.

And... She shirks off her duty to try and visit Ash and Friends two or even three times (That's COUNTING the 10th anniversary special). I don't think she would shirk off gym duty, even IF it's to visit friends, if she really did enjoy it.

And about her not trying to find a replacement if she didn't like the job, Has it occured to any of the people saying she likes it that the Cerulean Gym is a FAMILY-OWNED business? That means that she has to find a suitable relative (Blood-related at the very least, though adoption could work as well.), and we don't even KNOW if she even HAS any relatives ASIDE from her sisters (and even then, we don't know if they are blood related, for all we know, they could be foster sisters). I mean, she would need a relative to hand it down if she needed a replacement, she can't just give the gym leader title to some random passerby.

Before anyone mentions Brock, that guy was his father, so that doesn't count.

Also, People will probably mention the whole Giovanni -> Agatha scenario to try and disprove me, So I'll just say that Giovanni didn't hand it down to Agatha, he more got booted out of being a Gym Leader, and thus the PIA instated Agatha (who, being an Elite 4 member, would be related to the PIA) as a Temporary Gym Leader until they can find a suitable replacement

Sorry about how it carried out, I kind of rambled on a bit after hearing several people on the entire Pokemon Fandom state she LIKES running Cerulean Gym.

Point of fact: She just doesn't like running the gym. I mean, just because she is running the gym for quite a while doesn't MEAN that she enjoys it. Otherwise, Brock lied to Ash (and the Audience) by saying that he didn't care to run the Gym and only did it because of his family needing him, when he really enjoyed it like Heck.

Now here is what they usually respond with (the source is from Solomon, who seems to be a troll since he often barges into our club just to mock me and has absolutely no intention in joining our club.)

I'll respond with just this: in the Pokemon anime, responsibility is an option. If the gym goes to hell, so what? Her sisters are quite likely loaded and have enough success with their shows (potentially modeling stuff as well) to find a replacement pool-with-bleachers or just buy the real estate of a potential defunct gym and use it for just performances. She doesn't need the money herself because money isn't important (incompetent trainers, let alone decent ones, are subsidized quite well) and her family is likely loaded (even if the asking might hurt her pride too much). At the end of the day, the only answer is that it's something she wants to do. Even if it's a family-run business, the side income is through the roof and defeats the need for it - it can be shut down, barring some convenient plotdevice like the sisters being ripped off by their agent (which Misty could presumably catch on to anyway).

Daisy has only been there without her sisters twice - one time, the thing she was doing (shopping) was over and the other she had the ulterior motive of dragging Tracey into the performance. Where the legend of "Responsible Daisy" came from is beyond me. (Points to ponder: Is Jessie "The Female Anime Stereotype?" Is Piplup?)

See what I mean? I mean, This kind of Logic I absolutely disagree with. I mean, YES, They do make a lot of money on the shows. but do they use their money wisely? No! they waste it all on shopping and others. Plus, Flint owns a Rock Business, so why would Brock be upset at his father in regards to his abandoning his Gym and returning to his old rockseller gig if it was only a secondary business? Besides which, if Misty TRULY liked the gym as he claims, why would she complain about it in at least 3/4ths of her hoso's, shirk away from her duties when she has the oppertunity, be visibly upset about having to run the Gym in GCYL, among others?

See, this is my problem about people saying she LIKES working at the gym, because it's too inaccurate. I mean, she does spend time with all of her Water Pokemon, but that's the only silver lining in regards to an otherwise miserable experience.

[ajnrules]

One reason it's probaby miserable is because she's expected to do less than her best to give aspiring trainers the chance to win badges so the Pokemon League/PIA (whatever) can make money through the tournament. Losing on purpose is definitely pretty demoralizing.

As far as the "responsiblity is an option" comment, Misty's pride would keep her from giving up on the gym even though she may not like it. She was given a responsibility, and she's the type of person that would do all that she can to fulfill it. That's why she's so appealing, and what makes her different from Brock.

[nickstr]

The group that regulates gyms in the anime is the PIA. I can see loosing on purpose as demoralizing but then again Misty is not a member of the elite four but a gym leader so she has to do this kind of thing sadly. In one chronicles episode Misty told Nurse Joy to give a message to Ash in Hoenn that she had made it as a gym leader so I too think that pride is a bit of an issue here. This thing involving pride is one of many qualities that makes Misty likable compared to Brock. Another thing I can think of is that Misty always seemed to know what to do in just about any situation and gave others the courage to follow their dreams no matter what hardships they would encounter. Not only that Misty was also courageous and put her life on the line to save other people and also Pokemon on many different occasions. And believe it or not Ash was one person who was rescued by Misty many times.

[pokeria1]

Mar 26, 2008 2:33:45 GMT -5 nickstr said:

The group that regulates gyms in the anime is the PIA. I can see loosing on purpose as demoralizing but then again Misty is not a member of the elite four but a gym leader so she has to do this kind of thing sadly. In one chronicles episode Misty told Nurse Joy to give a message to Ash in Hoenn that she had made it as a gym leader so I too think that pride is a bit of an issue here. This thing involving pride is one of many qualities that makes Misty likable compared to Brock. Another thing I can think of is that Misty always seemed to know what to do in just about any situation and gave others the courage to follow their dreams no matter what hardships they would encounter. Not only that Misty was also courageous and put her life on the line to save other people and also Pokemon on many different occasions. And believe it or not Ash was one person who was rescued by Misty many times.

Yeah, though "Cerulean Blues" was somewhat confusing since they made it seem like Misty was never a Gym leader to begin with, and yet she actually refers to herself as a Gym Leader in the Mewtwo Returns special AND the Waterflowers of Cerulean City. I mean, sure, she wasn't an active gym leader, but that's different than saying that Misty was never a Gym leader up to that point, period.

Also, I'd say that Misty's rescuing and Ash's rescuing of each other were quite equal. She rescued the gang when the St. Anne sunk by plotting and initiating an "Operation: Poseidon" esque escape route, she rescued Ash by saving Ash when the Viridian Center was attacked and held off JJM. She saved Brock in the 1st movie, and Ash in the second movie, among other things. Also, some people said that Misty did something all by herself for the first time in that episode, when that wasn't even true at all. She came up with the escape plan from the st. anne all by herself, she was the only one who could solve Blaine's riddles, among other things.

And, sigh, I always get mocked for being a Misty fan, even WHEN what I was saying didn't even have ANYTHING to my loyalty to Misty or my anger towards May at all.

Take the May returning threads, I was stating my doubts of her returning due to it being released near april fools day, Heck, I even gave valid rationale and examples of how they could have been attempting to fool us, and they STILL Bashed me for being a Misty fan despite the fact that it didn't even HAVE to do with Misty OR my anger towards May at all.

I mean, I even stated multiple times that it didn't have ANYTHING to do with those factors at all, and they still diss, mock, flame, and did all the bad things a fan could do to another fan despite my confirming that it had absolutely nothing to do with either of my usual things. I mean, if anything, MOST of the people on those threads ARE the actual trolls, idiots, and Noobs.

All of these things I am NOT, I mean, I am trying to Help the people on earth by trying to accomplish Bringing Misty back, because of a certain aspect that I have covered and even nearly got myself in trouble in the fanbase because of it (thanks to that experience, I have vowed to not talk about it on the websites.). I also get good grades at school, so I'm definitely not an Idiot.

I mean, Honestly, they even insinuated that I killed Cybercubed just because he never appeared on that thread at all, and while I may have been Angered by his being a huge... Jerk, I didn't kill him (Heck, I don't even know who he is or where he lives.).

uggghhhh... Honestly, they are picking on Misty fans just because of their beliefs, and they delight in it, and many of them are respected members of the site, if not Mods. Those people who mock us, they are the true scum of that site.

They even spread around lies that the Misty fans feel that I'm scum, but they don't. They may have felt embarassed about my extremeism, but that doesn't mean that they think I'm scum.

I'm sorry for this, but I have been deeply angered and depressed that they would do this to several Misty fans. I mean, it's just like how the KKK try to kill people for absolutely no reason other than the fact that they are of different beliefs and races than themselves.

Speaking of races, I'm also a bit surprised that talking about stereotypes won't lead to civility, since many leaders of certain Pro-rights groups actually REFERENCE stereotypes in a negative manner to justify why they must act.

I mean, Susan B. Anthony referenced the "Women aren't intelligent" mindset to justify her rationale as to why she wants women to gain the right to vote.

Martin Luther King, Jr., along with many Civil rights leaders, used how Blacks were portrayed as being inferior to white people as a justification as to why they must try to get equal rights with Whites, and any other race, for that matter, in America.

I thought I was doing the same thing as they were doing when I was constantly referencing that stereotype (I may not like this stereotype, but I have to mention it anyways, since the only way of getting prepared to combat something like this is with knowledge.), but I guess all I did was make things worse.

That's why I'm going to quit talking about how this stereotype is bad on the various Misty clubs. It won't be easy, since I have had this thing for almost nine years now, but I am going to try to purge myself of this anyways (it's either that, or leave the Misty clubs, and since I am loyal to the cause, and the Misty Fanbase, I have to stay.).

anyways, that's all for now.

EDIT: There's also a troll by the name of "thriller" who was basically being a jerk to the Pokeshippers and Misty fans (I may not be a pokeshipper, but he doesn't have the right to act like that.) And he even went as far as to create a thread in the Anime spoilers section called "Kasumi: Conceited & Arrogant". Thankfully it's closed now, but what he did on there was terrible. Here's the post in question

Pokeshipping/Kanto Shipping/Whatever the f*ck you want to call it shipping?

Its all BULL!

Misty didn't give a d**n about Ash, she never did. It was always about that d**n bike and when she did get that bike back, she screamed at Ash because it wasn't him who payed for getting it back.

Misty never had confidence for him, she always put him down whenever he made an accomplishment, ONLY WANTED HER BIKE BACK!

Lets summarize this:

-When they first met, the first thing she ever did to him was slap him, but 4Kids cut that out because they had planned on making the two look like a couple which is why all these Pokeshippers/Kantoshippers/whatevershippers treat this pairing like a deity. If the first thing I ever did to somebody when meeting them was slap them, I'd be a complete loser with absolutely no friends.

-He captured Pidgeotto, instead of congratulating him, another slap. Wtf? So he made a mistake by using Caterpie, he's only human. For a trainer with such little experience, a Pidgeotto is a great capture.

-Mystery at the Lighthouse. Proud of himself, Ash listed all the Pokemon he captured. Misty, hoping to lower his spirits, says some bull about "They all followed him! lulz, u suk Ahs!" First off, only one followed him, second, why isn't she congratulating him again? He has a full roster before the 3rd gym, something he won't do again until Sinnoh. Don't you see how uncaring she is for him? No, you probably don't.

-The whole Charizard fiasco. Instead of helping the situation, she only put Ash down further by letting Charizard toast Ash around and not working for him. You'd think someone with as much intelligience as her would be a big help to the problem. But nah, just as long as she gets a new bike, Ash can break all the bones in his body for all she cares.

-Come Johto, she started to mellow up, partly because Ash WAS getting better, partly because she had to concentrate on Togepi more and partly because the writers ran out of ideas for her. However...

-Gotta catch ya later!: At Viridian Gym, Joy presents her with her new bike. Ash, happy that she got it back, congratulates her. Misty, on the other hand, yells at him. Ok, lets say I win $10,000 in a contest and my mom congratulates me, if I yell at her, she'd slap me over my head no matter what my age was. Misty, a thanks would have been nice...

-Some will say if she really didn't care for Ash, why did she make her two post-Johto appearances? Simple, for the Togepi one, she only came to Hoenn to participate in the Togepi festival. Brock, who has been keeping contact, tells her they will be in that area. When Ash gets back to Pallet Town, she only came to pick up her baby Azurill which Tracey (who is her real love, just watch the chronicles) wanted to give her.

So there, despite what 4Kids wanted you to think, Misty was really conceited, arrogant and had no caring for Ash. She isn't ever going to see him to see him, see's going because she felt like it and Ash just happened to be there.

She isn't going to appear because May, Wallace or whoever is going to be in the episode. She has a gym to take care of and thats the way its going to be from now on.

See what he wrote? Not only did he utterly diss any and ALL Misty Fans/Pokeshippers (I may not be a pokeshipper, but what he did was still very terrible.), but his arguements were very Biased, I mean, he stated that Misty was uncaring and a conceited and Arrogant jerkette, and yet he turns a blind eye on certain things:

ONE. Ash, most of those times, was being a conceited and Arrogant Jerk because he Bragged, and also made it seem that he didn't even care for his pikachu (it may have been an honest mistake, but that still happened.)

TWO. Brock also plays the "Ash Sucks" Charade in the Bill episode, and he never helped Ash in regards to Charizard, either.

THREE. May was being much more rude to Ash in her final episode (Believe me, she didn't thank Ash, In fact, the entire scene of her leaving made it seem as though she was snubbing Ash and her body language was saying "Screw you, Ash! I'm going to Johto for contests, so just go Screw yourself.")

FOUR: Even WITHOUT the reunion episodes, we've still got questions like "Why did she save Ash when the st. anne sank?"

"Why did she help ash with the riddles?"

"Why did she comfort ash (or try to at least) when he lost the Kanto Pokemon League?"

"Why did she save Ash in the 2nd Movie?"

"Why did she get Ash to Mewtwo’s Island?"

"Why did she continue going with Ash when she could have just as easily went with Danny and Rudy?"

See what I mean? He was being biased and utterly disrespectful. In fact, I'm surprised that he never got permanently banned considering how that ALONE would have landed him with one.