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Post by ajnrules on Mar 30, 2008 22:55:31 GMT -5
As an anti-Pokeshipper, I can see how some of those points are valid, but it is wrong using them to support his argument that Misty is conceited and arrogant. Yes, I will concede that Misty was pretty harsh to Ash in the early episodes, but as you had wrote, he pretty much brought it on himself with his prideful behavior.
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Post by pokeria1 on May 27, 2008 13:18:59 GMT -5
You know, what I hate more than random fans bashing Misty fans and Misty is Misty fans bashing other Misty fans and Misty.
I mean, on Sunday, I worked on a post declaring a boycott on May the 25th (It may mean sacrificing Darkrai for a long time, but If it's for Misty, it's worth it.). I posted it on the Official Misty (Bring Her Back) Club, BMGf's Misty club, and this website.
Now, here's MY problem! someone (or some group of people, rather) Moved my Post from the BMGf Misty club to the hall of Shame forum, and, get this, Made a new topic and placed it under MY NAME just so they can Mock me and several OTHER Misty fans! What's even WORSE is that many of these people instigating this... petty act ARE Misty fans, one of which in particular is one of the grand leaders of the BMGf Misty Club, Kasumi!
Honestly, they have rules against bashing, and yet they find it perfectly all right to do this?! Many of these people are delighting in this horrific act! I mean, UUUGGHHHH!!! Why on EARTH would they do that?! I mean, disagreeing with me is ONE thing, Mocking me and acting like total immature jerks is quite another! They call BMGf a more mature site?! It's not! If they think that Mocking me is mature, or if using swear words is mature, then they have a very warped mindset, since using swear words and resorting to mocking people only proves that they are actually immature!
It really has enraged me that many of what I thought were my friends would stab me in the back (Not you, Nickstr, I'm more referring to Kasumi and those Misty fans). Their behavior only proves that they don't DESERVE to be called Misty fans! I mean, seriously! Kasumi, Geodude, and many of the Mods on that site Aren't even mods, their just jerks who use their Mod position to get away with whatever they please!
Was it right that the Roman Emperors (and many kings prior to the Magna Carta, and in certain cases, after the Magna carta) were able to get away with many atrocious acts [even the MOST atrocious acts such as murder and all that] Just because they were Emperors?!
Was it right that many of the ancient world gods were not held accountable to their own laws, and can get away with even the MOST horrific act just because they were gods, and yet we mortals, when we do the exact same thing as them, we end up getting plagues, famines, natural disasters, and all that?!
No it wasn't right, not at all. And I'm comparing most of the Mods on Serebiiforums and ESPECIALLY Bulbagarden to them because that's EXACTLY what they are! Nothing more than Arrogant little dictators who think they are above the law (Not that I think the Mods here are that, but still...)
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Post by ajnrules on May 31, 2008 0:11:09 GMT -5
Hmm. I don't really know what to say. While I don't agree with the potential effectiveness of a boycott, I'm still respecting your right to try and organize one. I think the lack of solidarity between Misty fans is sad.
It reminds me of what happened in another Pokemon forum I was at. There was a club called the Misty Lover's Club that was started to honor Misty, but people quickly used it as a forum to start attacking another club in the name of Misty. That was just wrong.
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Post by nickstr on May 31, 2008 4:10:32 GMT -5
I saw this thread soon after it went into the hall of shame but you must understand many of these posts were jokes, only a hand full of them were to be taken seriously. And one thing to note is that quite a few of those people frequent the Bulbagarden IRC chat as I sure you could tell from their signatures in some cases. I also frequent that particular IRC chat as does one other person who like myself is a big fan of Misty and oddly enough happens to live in the same state as I do! Personally I did not notice the lack of solidarity among Misty's fan base but will agree that it is there and I too am thinking that a boycott might not be effective and that not many people would want to participate in it despite the fact that a large portion of Misty's fan base already refuses to watch the current part of the series and focus almost exclusively on season 5 and before. For quite a few of them the few exceptions are the Togepi special in season 7 and the three episodes around the time Ash returned to Pallet Town near the end of season 8.
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Post by pokeria1 on Jun 8, 2008 7:52:18 GMT -5
Well, this is more of a revival of an old complaint than an entirely new complaint, but this somewhat has to deal with Misty's current position.
Well, The gym leaders have been portrayed as being pretty weak throughout the show (and to a much lesser extent, the games), and, well, I never liked how they made Misty a gym leader (I mean, one, she doesn't even WANT the job, much less likes it. Otherwise, she would have acted like Tracey in regards to working with Oak. and two, making her a gym leader, based on how GLs are portrayed, will only make her WEAKER, not stronger [In other words, she will be an Ash & co. Version of JJM].).
However, Ash is becoming weaker by the time of Diamond and pearl (ESP. considering the fact that he beat a battling group that was much stronger than EVEN the Elite 4 of all regions). he is actually losing to Gym leaders in official battles, and he barely drew against Maylene (Whom, in a later episode, Paul mocks both Maylene AND Ash at the same time because he pretty much said she is a push over and that even a baby can beat her, and this was AFTER Ash barely drew to her (and got a badge as well, which would be the second time where he got the badge without winning since kanto (the first being against Wattson, since, technically, he didn't win against him.).)
If the Gym leaders are weak, then Misty should really call it quits, since being a Gym leader is only going to sap her of her strength. As a matter of fact, a friend on pokecommunity ALSO speculated a what if scenario where she lost a Whirl-cup esque tournament and she is feeling she really hasn't accomplished much in regards to the gym (Besides Gyarados, of course.).
Tracey may have gotten the best thing by leaving the Main cast, and maybe even May
(I still don't like her behavior towards Ash when she left, though. The way she did it made it seem as though she was Snubbing Ash. Actually, the only one who even seemed grateful for what Ash has done was Max, (I'd mention how Brock seemed empty, but then again, he always returns, so it wouldn't have mattered, though in D/P, he hinted he didn't have any plans in returning to Ash's group and that the only reason why he rejoined Ash was because the Trucker who drove him to Sinnoh kinda Ditched him.).)
But Misty got the worst end of the stick, IMO, since if the GLs are very weak (something that PAUL even mentioned at least once), how can Misty be as powerful as she can be? I mean, I can understand Brock being relatively weak, since he never really cared about winning that much, but if Misty ends up losing a lot, and even ranking much worse in a water type tournament, I simply cannot see her remaining as a Gym leader for much longer.
Speaking of Tracey, I also really hate it when they compare Misty to Tracey, in both terms of Popularity AND air time. I mean, Misty was actually FAR more popular than Tracey. Heck, Cybercubed said that Misty must be less popular than even TRACEY since he has gotten more Hoso Specials than her, and he said that she isn't returning because it's been 5 years since she left and she has also become the likes of Tracey. I mean, heck, Misty got an actual star role in the Mastermind special whileas Tracey got... what? a one second appearance?
Also, I think the writers were planning on Misty returning (otherwise, what was the Point of Brock saying that she was upset about having to leave the group?), but they let their greed get the best of them.
BTW, Nickstr. I edited my Boycott announcements on Pokecommunity and Waterflower World so that ALL of the Misty Fans can get their chance at getting Darkrai. I thought it over, and I realized that boycotting the Darkrai event isn't going to have the same effect as boycotting all of the merchandise or not watching Cartoon network or whatever channel Pokemon may be on. Also, is there any way to organize all the Misty fans to declare the Boycott and contribute the effort to bring her back? I Mean, it seems hypocritical to want Misty back, and yet not do a thing about it.
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Post by ajnrules on Jun 11, 2008 1:05:44 GMT -5
Actually, were the gym leaders that weak in Kanto? Brock: 1-1, with the win coming after Onix was severely weakened by the sprinklers Misty: Draw. Misty could have easily won had she not switched out her Staryu. Lt. Surge: 1-1. It was his first real victory against a gym leader, and Brock came up with the strategy. Sabrina: 1-2 with one pathetic forfeit, and the win in the end was pretty cheap. Erika: Draw, and I bet Pikachu was bluffing. Besides, Erika would have won easily if she hadn't switched out the Tangela for the Weepinbell. Koga: 1-0-1, the second victory that seems like one. Blaine: 1-1, and the Charizard was essentially autonomous in the win. Team Rocket: 1-0, and they weren't the real gym leaders anyways. So the final tally is: 6 wins (half of them somewhat cheap), 5 losses, and 3 draws. I'm sure he improves in Johto, but it just goes to show that Misty's gym leader peers didn't do too badly for the main character who essentially has everything for him. But yeah, I've always wondered what's up with being gym leader. They're supposed to be expert trainers, but they've been beaten by hundreds of trainers. This brings up a dilemma. Do they put in 100% in these battles, which means that they're really not that great of a trainers? Or are they fighting with only 50% of their strength, which gives challengers a chance to win so that the organization behind the Pokemon League can get money from the annual tournament? I'd like to think it's the latter.  |
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Post by nickstr on Jun 11, 2008 1:07:31 GMT -5
I understand if gym leaders are weak and now I am starting to think that Misty might not be realizing her goal by becoming a gym leader and one way would be to travel around for a while and learn about water Pokemon. I read the announcement but you had the date for the Darkrai event wrong, it was on May 31st and June 1st I was able to go to the event which luckily was held at the Toys R Us about 45 miles away from where I am. The thing about what Brock said could have been added by the dub it could have been in the original too but I would not know since I have not watched the Pokemon anime regularly since 2003.
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Post by pokeria1 on Jun 11, 2008 9:28:02 GMT -5
I understand if gym leaders are weak and now I am starting to think that Misty might not be realizing her goal by becoming a gym leader and one way would be to travel around for a while and learn about water Pokemon. I read the announcement but you had the date for the Darkrai event wrong, it was on May 31st and June 1st I was able to go to the event which luckily was held at the Toys R Us about 45 miles away from where I am. The thing about what Brock said could have been added by the dub it could have been in the original too but I would not know since I have not watched the Pokemon anime regularly since 2003. Yeah... I realized that when I saw the website, but I forgot to edit the date. I thought it was the 27th due to the way the advert for the 10th movie was worded. Also, yeah, they probably were pretty powerful in Kanto, but in Johto and hoenn (and in certain cases, the Battle Frontier), they were beaten relatively easily. So easily, in fact, that it seems almost pathetic that they are even called Gym leaders. Also, the games kinda hinted that the prerequisites to earning a gym badge isn't necessarily beating the gym leader. It's showing your love and devotion towards your pokemon (since there were countless references to it in the games.). Speaking of which, If Ash ends up facing Fantina much, much later (like after Canalave), I'll be quite surprised that she would still be a gym leader (I mean, considering how long she would have been gone by that time, Hearthrome gym would have been shut down by the PIA. I mean, if Misty's sister's cruise means anything, then her being absent of the gym would put the gym at risk of being shut down.) And also, by my estimates, from how Gym leaders are being portrayed, they might not be any more stronger than JJM, (In fact, considering how JJM got their heads handed to them three times in Gym related events (In the Original series (Obviously the Viridian Gym match), AG (when Brock and Ash had to protect the gym from robberies because Brock's family was out of town.), and DP (they created an unofficial gym to scam the challengers either way.) The gym leaders really have to get their act together.), and even if they were stronger, they would be marginally stronger. and if they weren't even battling at their maximum, then I pity them, because they aren't even fighting seriously. Also, this is a bit of a new one, I have hated the fact that several fans claim that she isn't a "True" tomboy in the Anime (Especially when trying to compare her to the likes of Zoey), despite the fact that all of the official press material (and even Misty's Seiyuu) have repeatedly referred to her as "The Tomboyish Mermaid". I mean, honestly, just because she has fascinations in regards to romance and some other "girly" things labeled as such by the general consensus doesn't make her any less of a tomboy, especially since she has the strength, physicial prowess, some recklessness, spiritfulness, and courage. Besides, the general consensus of Pokemon Contests are that they are "Girly", and the only male Coordinaters are those who are feminine (Like Metrosexuals, Crossdressers, Girly guys, and others.), so Zoey isn't a 100% true tomboy by definition, either, since she herself IS a Coordinator. |
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Post by ajnrules on Jun 15, 2008 23:34:35 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure all of the official press material has much more say as far as Misty's personality than the fans. Anyways, that just reminds me of the scene in The Purr-fect Hero where Ash and Brock were complaining about having Kid's Day so soon after Princess Day:
Brock: Kid's Day should be a boy holiday only! (appears in a Samurai oufit) For men!
Ash: (in a kung-fu outfit with short hair) Real men!
Brock: (as a sumo wrestler) Real tough men!
Misty: (whacks Ash, Brock, and Pikachu) I'm just as tough as you two, so are we gonna play or are we gonna play?
Anyways, comparing Misty to Zoey to prove she's not a tomboy is operating under a false assumption. Yes, Zoey is a tomboy, but just because she is a bigger one than Misty does not mean that the latter is not a tomboy. Zoey is by no means the lower limit of tomboy-ness.
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Post by nickstr on Jun 16, 2008 0:29:52 GMT -5
I am familiar with Zoey and there are some people who say that she is a lesbian and has a crush on Dawn. But since I have not seen any of D/P I would not know about this other than second hand. Zoey would be most likely the upper limit of being a tomboy Misty is closer to the lower limit. Not only that we do know that Misty is straight and has been hit on by quite a few others including Lt. Surge and even Brock although he did not realize it at the time. The belief of one person I ran across on another Pokemon forum is that if you hate Zoey there is no way you can like Misty. This whole belief is a bunch of BS as I know someone who hates Zoey and likes Misty but no where near as much as I like her though.
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Post by pokeria1 on Jun 16, 2008 6:54:06 GMT -5
I am familiar with Zoey and there are some people who say that she is a lesbian and has a crush on Dawn. But since I have not seen any of D/P I would not know about this other than second hand. Zoey would be most likely the upper limit of being a tomboy Misty is closer to the lower limit. Not only that we do know that Misty is straight and has been hit on by quite a few others including Lt. Surge and even Brock although he did not realize it at the time. The belief of one person I ran across on another Pokemon forum is that if you hate Zoey there is no way you can like Misty. This whole belief is a bunch of BS as I know someone who hates Zoey and likes Misty but no where near as much as I like her though. Yeah, I have heard that as well, but I disagree that she's, well, a lesbian, because 1. her helping people out doesn't mean she has the hots for them, otherwise, Ash, his friends, and even JJM would have fallen in love with absolutely everyone they've helped (meaning, all genders, and all creatures.) 2. She meets Dawn at random, so that disproves the belief that she was stalking her (Yes, some people actually say she stalks dawn.) and even IF she was indeed stalking Dawn, that doesn't mean she has the hots for her, since JJM stalk Ash and friends all the time, and while they may have Grudging respect, they pretty much dislike Ash and co. 3. I even used Misty being a tomboy as a reason why just because Zoey is a tomboy doesn't mean she is a lesbian. Also, from what I've gathered on the forums, the reason why some of the fanbase hates Zoey is because of her role in the Buizel/Aipom trade (in fact, they worded their angst by making it seem like she forced them to trade.). The funny thing is, when Brock seemed to do a similar thing with Ash in the St. Anne episode, they didn't seem to bash him for that. Same deal with "Pikachu's Goodbye" since the main reason why Ash released Pikachu was because Brock pretty much suggested it to him. I find it a bit hypocritical to bash a character for one thing, and yet not mind another character doing that. You know, although I am a guy myself, I agree with Misty. I mean, even though she is a girl, that doesn't mean she can't participate in that holiday. Actually, I actually have some angst towards Brock and Ash actually being sexist in that scene [It also reminds me of Gaston saying that Belle shouldn't be reading because Girls aren't supposed to be intelligent or able to think in Beauty and the Beast. what's even worse than that is that there were those triplets who actually act like that stereotype.]. And anyways, I also agree with you in regards to Misty being a tomboy, but unfortunately, some people just go with the percieved tomboy being one who absolutely acts like a guy (even though, you know, even Zoey isn't an absolute tomboy either, and official press material in both the games and the anime mentioned Misty being a tomboy.) Speaking of people on the forums, People are saying that If I was to boycott the series, why am I posting on the forums. I just wanted to say because we don't have to pay to access the site (Besides, they're fansites anyways, and while the Pokemon company HQs and PUSA MIGHT access the sites, it's not the same as like accessing Pokemon.com), and besides which, we have to get news of Misty's arrival soon, and as of yet, the only way we can find out about Misty's return is through the net. I never really understood why people must insist that I don't go onto the forums just because I'm on boycott. |
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Post by ajnrules on Jun 17, 2008 23:26:36 GMT -5
Kinda unrelated, but I just did a search for "Misty Pokemon" on Facebook groups, and I came across one called "I HATE MAY FROM POKEMON . BRING MISTY BACK =0"  The description is: "When Misty left pokemon, pokemon started to suck AND it's all cause of May. Yes join this group if you hate May. >  oh yes btw Misty + Ash = Love .. i think tht's just one equation tht makes sence " It seems wrong that it seems like the only reason why Misty should be back other than the fact the person has something against May (understandable) is because of Pokeshipping. There's no mention of Misty's positive qualities at all, but some of the wall posts mention it: "I can't even watch anything beyond Johto because Misty is gone. She needs to come back T.T" "Dawn & May, are total very *friendly* persons, they both wear really short skirts or short short thingies. Misty ftw. <3" (Ironically Misty also wears short shorts, so that's not a very good reason why they're total very *friendly* persons, but we all know that Misty is far better than both of them.) "pokemon was actually a pretty good english dub anime (THE ONLY ONE) until may came then the story focused mroe on beauty pagents rather than gym badges adn teh Road to Indigo Plateu!" |
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Post by nickstr on Jun 17, 2008 23:48:00 GMT -5
This proves that even though May is gone from the main cast there is still quite a bit of hate directed at her but then again there is also hate directed at Dawn and Misty too. I actually know of someone who lives in the same state as I do and not too far from me either, just over the Cascade Mountains as a mater of fact who used to hate May with a burning passion but loves Misty as much as I do. If anything from what I have seen the Shinoh contests are more like a beauty pageant than the Hoenn ones but I can see why these people don't like May as I happen to be one of them. But I don't bash May though, I respect the fact that she has a fan base although some of them are real pricks and feel as though they must bash everything they hate. The leader of the Misty club on the Serebii forums has this message in their signature "Respect what you don't like, don't be a basher" or something similar to that and I agree with this message fully.
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Post by pokeria1 on Jun 19, 2008 10:13:51 GMT -5
Kinda unrelated, but I just did a search for "Misty Pokemon" on Facebook groups, and I came across one called "I HATE MAY FROM POKEMON . BRING MISTY BACK =0" The description is: "When Misty left pokemon, pokemon started to suck AND it's all cause of May. Yes join this group if you hate May. > oh yes btw Misty + Ash = Love .. i think tht's just one equation tht makes sence " It seems wrong that it seems like the only reason why Misty should be back other than the fact the person has something against May (understandable) is because of Pokeshipping. Yeah, that IS wrong. I mean, If they ARE to bring Misty back, it has to be for far more than just Pokeshipping (Heck, they CAN just try to do Pokeshipping fanfics.). I mean, some of us are trying to bring her back because we were loyal to her and want her to continue. I mean, a few of us even are trying to bring her back because we feel that by her returning, we will be a step closer to eliminating sexism once and for all, and bringing about TRUE gender equality. Also, that Pic of May seemed to remind me of Mephiles from "Sonic Next Gen". Yeah, that is somewhat sad, really. I mean, I don't like it when theres bashing in the forums (Though I may not be completely innocent of it as well.). Besides, several things that the May fans seemed to state in regards to positive qualities towards may don't seem to match up to positive qualities (Esp. considering how stuff like innocence is now being used as a synonym for someone who is gullible and too asanine to be able to figure out if somethings a trick or not even when it's blatantly obvious that it is.) Plus, she seemed to abandon her Manaphy due to her being... well a coward (As a matter of fact, this BMB video I'm posting has the scene in question.), plus her enjoying stripping on the beach and other distasteful things. I'll admit that our fanbase isn't perfect, either, but even still. Hey I agree with you for the most part. However, I can't say I fully agree with the "Respect what you don't like, don't be a basher", because several activists who are trying to bring about equality of everything BASH stereotypes because they want to see these stereotypes to be destroyed because they perceive these stereotypes to be a threat to the world. Weatherford, for example, led a crusade in destroying the negative black stereotyping in the media, and she bashed Jynx because of her (Jynx, I mean) being of a horrendous stereotype. Now, that may not excuse my behavior in regards to May, but then again, for a feminist activist whose doing this for his family, his friends, and most importantly, the entire world to try and combat it, it seems as though we might HAVE to bash negative stereotypes. Believe me, I would have respected May... IF she wasn't of that stereotype. |
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